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Anybody have any taughts on the situation were coming from the last stage a competitors car was lifted by the gardi because it had no nct or tax and therefor was not road wordy...The lads were told they were been made an example of..is this fair to single out one crew when ninty percent of the cars are not taxed or insured
 

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whoa pretty strong gardai, how much these cars weigh nowadays anyway?


laws are laws.......ur taking a risk and u get caught u pay.........

90 percent are lucky this time but what goes around comes around,.........
 

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Not good at all, could seriously effect the majority of compeditors in this country.
On a side note had the lads in question done anything to warrant the attention from the Gardai?
 

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under irds you are covered for 3rd party on the road sections as for tax thats a very big can or worms as most car are built from parts that would cause problems as brian said did the do anything to piss the cops off thats usually the reason the would go after you
it would be intresting to hear what the cops are told to do in this matter wonder is there any members that could look into this for us :help:
 

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well if its not taxed why should it be allowed on the road?
 

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they had no bonnet on the car ,most rally cars wont pass nct any way with immisons so what does a man do,
 

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the lads had lost the bonnet of the car on the last stage thats what caught there attention

[Edited on 17-4-2006 by Andrew Purcell]
 

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How come its such a big problem for guys here to have cars taxed, in the UK it is mandatory for cars to be taxed, its even checked at scrutiny, the cars have to have a valid MOT aswell. Its not too bad when the cops lift them but its a different ballgame when Customs and Excise get involved
 

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there is about 3000 rally cars in irl, 150 out every week some weeks mayb 300. how many cars have nct and tax, id say very few
 

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so ur are saying its ok for a rally car to go on public roads with no tax when we have to pay £120-£180 a year!!!
 

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id say next to none are taxed
its a big problem peespeed because most of us are running on english plates and the would have to be cleared to be taxed and nct'ed and i know the vrt would be crazy to clear even a cheap clubman car
if the cops are going to start messing with rallycars there is going to be a lot of scrapped car being bought up for there tax books and vin plate not that i would know anything about that.
 

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tax is not the problem .we can pay that but its the nct now the they will kick up over. most cars are burning oil or bushing are worn .they would b loads that would make a car fail its nct,why only now are they clamping down
 

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Originally posted by ste0411
so ur are saying its ok for a rally car to go on public roads with no tax when we have to pay £120-£180 a year!!!
dont know what sort of pram u drive but u wouldnt tax a honda 50 over here for that price the tax isnt the problem its the inflated vrt price the look for to clear a car most rallycars would scrape throught a nct with some help
 

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to be fair if you car has worn bushings and burning oil it isnt fit to rally anyway rally cars should be safer than road cars because of the speed involved
 

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oil was just an example ,i dont have a rally car but nav most weekends and they are a lot of cars burning oil out there .lots
 

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I was chatting to a bloke at the Galway rally in regard to his car being on English plates and he told me that as it is a competition car being used on closed public roads the customs/revenue don't bother with the issues of VRT. So as it is not on Irish plates it can't be taxed and can't be NCTd. Also can you imagine the row if the likes of Ray Breen. Timmy, Austin, Barrable, JJ, and all those boys suddenly got pulled for the VRT on a half million euro car. There would be serious repercussions and representations would be made to Mr O Donoghue to have a wee chat with Mr Cowan
 

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The problem as I see it is not with cost of taxing, although it would be ridiculous having to shell out €1200.00 on a 2.5 escort that only gets used a couple of times a year.

The NCT is a problem because it is much stricter than an MOT. Hydraylic handbrakes, bias valves, emmisions, belts are just a few things. I've also heard that Putting plate type LSD on the rollers they use does noting good for your gearbox either.

But the main problem as I see it is that the tax office will not except a IRDS letter as proof of insurance and will not tax the car.
 

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Hi All,

I know of a lot of Rally cars that have passed the NCT test, including a Mk II Forestry Car.

I remember being at a CAC meeting nealy 10 years ago, when the issue of Road Tax on rally cars was brought up. At the time Motorsport Ireland said they were looking into it........

An example used at the time was the Motorhomes club of Ireland (or whatever they are called) have a special rate of Tax, and that something similar should be available to rally cars.

The other way of doing it would be like IRDS, pay something for the day.

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Just to follow up on what Rally.ie said. The Irish MotorCaravan Club made their case to the government a few years ago about the tax and NCT on Motorhomes. As a result, motorhomes now cost about 60 euro per year, independant of engine size and there is no NCT needed. There is a designated Motorhome vehicle tax bracket, and there are revenue min requirements for vehicles to be designated motorhomes

Motorsport Ireland should be in discussions with the relevant government departments to bring in a similar scheme for rally cars, namely a flat tax and no NCT
 
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