illegal pacenotes on single stages

im just sayin wat people are tinkin!!!!!!!

a mate of mine finished in the top10 on the Carrick SS and was offered notes by 2 of the top 5 finishers, he didnt accept them and thinks he may have been the first guy home without illegal notes

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I was listening to and involved in a discussion with one of the top guys on the National scene when I was at the Galway rally and it is wildly know that all of the top guys are out there outside the official recci times-it is regarded as acceptable amongst all of them and no one is going to rock the boat. They all know who is doing it and it is regarded somewhat as a bit of a joke. You can't ban all the cheaters as then you would have no field to run.

Originally posted by FLAT jump
any views lads on illegal pacenotes been made on single stages.never got my notes checked[they where legal]!!!!!!this year.yet ther was a traffic jam on the stage aweek bfore the carrick single!!!!!!!!its just not right .busting urself just 2 c the lad in ur class sticking his notes up his pineapple at the end of the stage???????????

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You must have been there yourself to see this traffic jam ???
Can not and will not be stoped.

Might be shot for sayin it but in my opinion it would be too dangerous to go at full knots on single stage with no rec,
plus the expence of rebuildin car after stupid off that if rec was done would be in notes,,,,,,

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This is really a matter of safety for single stages. Totally agree with you bones cars are gone too expensive and the pace too quick now to risk going flat out on single stages. I think that a saturday afternoon recce where each crew gets 2 to 3 runs through the stage would cut out alot of this illegal reccing on single stages.

Originally posted by peespeed
he may have been the first guy home without illegal notes

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He woulda had to finish in top 5 to have been

i could be wrong but on a single stage do u not get a free run over the stage before u get three timed runs :dunno: :dunno:

You do abe but we're not allowed to alter the notes, just mark leaves and slippery stuff. There is no such thing as a blind rally anymore, there are always people who have seen the stage. This topic has come up so many times before on this forum so im fed up of typing the same thing. The motor club cant police a stage for a month before the rally, its just not possible. The only solution is to allow a quick recce saturday morning, that would even things up a bit. There is a lad in the same class as me and i normally wipe the floor with him on any rally we're both at but when it came to his own motor club running a single stage i found him taking 5 or 6 seconds a stage off me:dunno:

Winner of the Carrick Single Stage didn't have a look at the stage. Thats a fact.

Sher what about it. Feck the loss. Rallying is all about the fun, hammering a car down a bumpy bog road at 100mph, theres nothing like it. If these boys want to cheat let them off. I dont care. What satisfaction is there in winning knowing you have cheated? Familiarity breeds contempt. Theres nothing like keeping her lit on a stage you've never seen before. Though it sometimes ends in tears.

i agree with 1600 its always talked about but never anything done about it, no motor club official has the right to stop any car on a public road even if it is gonna be a stage.. it is not possible to police a stage 24/7. the lads that do illegal recce know the rite people in the club that give them maps and if they get caught they know the right who will ring the clerk of the course or someone else up high in the club and have it swept under the carpet. i know this happens because it happened in the motor club i am in and i would love noting better than to name the offenders but i cant say the names which is a big pity i think if someone is caught on a single stage they should loose their licence. OK lads are saying their cars cost too much to do a rally blind but pattersons do a safety notes for the event and there is a familiarisation run to see the stage. the purpose of the single stages is to let lads who are starting off get into rallying.

In theory the purpose of a single stage is to get newcomers into rallying where there is reserved placings etc. But my opinion is a newcomer should choose a rally where there is a recce to gain experience and less chance of going off.

Point taking JP but as you may have come across in some events there can be alot of changes to be made to Pattersons notes and I feel that the practice run is of very little use because basically you are driving in convoy.

Also as you say single stages are aimed at beginners so would it not be good practice for these beginner to check there notes and make what safety changes they require ?????

in the cashel single stage they let cars off on the practice run on their own and two or three cars went off on the practice run!!! so thats why in carrick they were let of in convoy, Kenna as you know the changes that each driver makes to pattersons notes vary dependent on their experience i done the ravens rock in 2000 it was my first rally driving i think i made about 10 changes in the whole rally as to now id have about 10 changes per page of pattersons notes, if its the only way a lad can get a good result is by doing an illegal recce than its a sad affair for them.. i also think and this is just my opinion but wouldnt a lad be better doing a restricted single stage using safety notes and driving to them for one or two rallies just to gain confidence and experince before doing a multi-stage rally. if it would stop illegal recce then each competitor should get one or two runs over it on the saturady evening, that would keep every one happy

Go watch just before the 3 2 1 boards or pick up the litter and see what u find on any single stage

Well I dont think that illegal recce can be stopped but some sort of a run through the stages on a sat will reduce it.

Dont understand why clubs dont make an example of some of these crews seen on stages no matter if they are first car on the road or last. Exclusion from the rally or a 5min time penalty that might sort out a few of them.

Was there not a few men caught one time in a taxi on a stage they were threw out of the rally

well pat donegan is a quick driver he did win the titanic rally sprint few months ago he beat niall mcshea, Charle +Eugene Donnolly and Gwyndaf Evans maybe he is naturally quick, i know that a lot of other lads in the top ten had a rite look at it

Originally posted by WD_Raceway

Originally posted by peespeed
he may have been the first guy home without illegal notes

[Edited on 1-11-2005 by peespeed]

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He woulda had to finish in top 5 to have been

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Not too many believe this either !!!!!